The tennis player who serve and start the game has an advantage just like the first move of white pieces in chess. In tennis the player who serve the ball has an advantage provided it is powerful and accurate to the outer corner of one's opponent "service box". I do not know what one call that small square that the ball must fall in when one serve the ball. I only watch tennis. I do not play tennis because it is a very difficult sport to learn and require a lot of physical strength. Tennis a wonderful sport game full of power and cunning to out maneuver one opponent. bye friends
Both games are one against one. However, chess is really a team game. But unlike other games, the team is in the pieces and not the players.
Tennis is not a turn-based game, it is an almost turn-based game. While it is true you cannot change the direction of the ball once you hit it, you can move left and right or backwards or approach the net. All these options still affect the game highly, while it is your opponents "turn" to move.So basically as you still move, you still affect the position of the game, so basically your turn does not stop after you hit the ball, and the truth is it does never end. It is always both players' turns.
Also the conclusion derived from this "turn-based" analogy is a bit vague.Let us say that the opponent threatens mate in one
Now I can choose between two moves, one that the only thing it does is preventing mate and one which does 1 billion things but does not prevent mate.Is the second move better just because it achieves more things?
In chess it is not neccessarily what you are achieving, but what you are achieving in relation to what your opponent is achieving.
I m a terrible person I know, still it was a nice try :)
Also the conclusion derived from this "turn-based" analogy is a bit vague.Let us say that the opponent threatens mate in one
Now I can choose between two moves, one that the only thing it does is preventing mate and one which does 1 billion things but does not prevent mate.Is the second move better just because it achieves more things?
In chess it is not neccessarily what you are achieving, but what you are achieving in relation to what your opponent is achieving.
I m a terrible person I know, still it was a nice try :)
LOL...
I thought I wouldn't need to explain that the moves must achieve goals that are meaningful to the position.
I thought I wouldn't need to explain that the moves must achieve goals that are meaningful to the position.
Thx for the piece of advice
I play tennis as well as chess, so this is something I've thought about before. Some of the similarities to my mind...
- Playing white = Having the serve. If you can serve well you have some chance to set the initial direction of the game. If you can serve in varied ways and know your opponents strengths (which in tennis you can see during the match!) you can pick a type of serve that gives you the best chance. (e.g. To the backhand if they seem to less good there than forehand.) When all is said and done though, having the serve is a smallish advantage. Being the better player is a much bigger advantage!
- No one plays well at the beginning. When you're learning the ball goes all over the place, and you need to be relaxed about your shortcomings, have fun, and keep going.
- Even as a top-class player, mistakes are many. The top tennis players are doing well if 70% of their first serves are in. "Unforced error" is a standard tennis term! GMs likewise have plenty of blunders and oversights in their games.
- No one gets to be really good without lots of play, practice and coaching.
- Winning is often about hanging in there when your game is off as much as it is about being a skilled player and hitting great shots.
- Playing white = Having the serve. If you can serve well you have some chance to set the initial direction of the game. If you can serve in varied ways and know your opponents strengths (which in tennis you can see during the match!) you can pick a type of serve that gives you the best chance. (e.g. To the backhand if they seem to less good there than forehand.) When all is said and done though, having the serve is a smallish advantage. Being the better player is a much bigger advantage!
- No one plays well at the beginning. When you're learning the ball goes all over the place, and you need to be relaxed about your shortcomings, have fun, and keep going.
- Even as a top-class player, mistakes are many. The top tennis players are doing well if 70% of their first serves are in. "Unforced error" is a standard tennis term! GMs likewise have plenty of blunders and oversights in their games.
- No one gets to be really good without lots of play, practice and coaching.
- Winning is often about hanging in there when your game is off as much as it is about being a skilled player and hitting great shots.
Yes, that's true, jvs.
chess should have a net across the middle
So ironic and smart! You must be proud of yourself.
In chess the idea that a move can achieve more than one thing at a time is pretty fundamental. From the simplest fork right up to the grandest strategy that exerts pressure on both sides of the board, winning often comes down to generating more threats than the opponent can cope with. And since they get one move for every move you get, the only way that happens is if your moves in some sense "do more" than theirs.
I'm not sure how well that really follows from chess being turn-based though, or whether it has any actual parallel in tennis. I can't think of any other turn-based board or card games where it's really anything like as important as in chess. But it could be I just don't know enough about other games.
Like MorningCoffee I also don't think it's helpful to think of tennis as turn-based at all. Quite the opposite in fact! One of the most important steps for me in becoming half-way competent at tennis was realizing you can only return a good serve if you were doing the right things even before they actually hit the ball. That partly means the "checking" motion you see tennis players using as they wait to return that keeps them ready to quickly spring in any direction, and it also means watching the ball intently even when they're bouncing it up and down as they get ready to serve. Equally important is to not stop after you've hit the ball, but keep moving and reposition yourself to be well-placed for the next shot.
Still, if all this helps people get the idea "make your moves do as much as possible", that's definitely a good lesson to remember.
I'm not sure how well that really follows from chess being turn-based though, or whether it has any actual parallel in tennis. I can't think of any other turn-based board or card games where it's really anything like as important as in chess. But it could be I just don't know enough about other games.
Like MorningCoffee I also don't think it's helpful to think of tennis as turn-based at all. Quite the opposite in fact! One of the most important steps for me in becoming half-way competent at tennis was realizing you can only return a good serve if you were doing the right things even before they actually hit the ball. That partly means the "checking" motion you see tennis players using as they wait to return that keeps them ready to quickly spring in any direction, and it also means watching the ball intently even when they're bouncing it up and down as they get ready to serve. Equally important is to not stop after you've hit the ball, but keep moving and reposition yourself to be well-placed for the next shot.
Still, if all this helps people get the idea "make your moves do as much as possible", that's definitely a good lesson to remember.
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