Has anyone seen a response or evidence of an action taken after using the report form?
@possum_hollow said in #1:
> Has anyone seen a response or evidence of an action taken after using the report form?
Sometimes, if the cheating is fairly obvious, yes. Cheating is more a problem in rapid and classical games.
In quick time controls there is not much cheating going on.
For example:
r1b1kbnr/pp1npppp/2pp4/7q/2PPP3/2N2N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 7
I had this position over 500 times in my games, mostly in bullet.
Be2 is the human move, e5 is the computer move. Both moves win. e5 wins quicker if followed up correctly. Only one opponent ever played e5 but didn't follow it up correctly...
> Has anyone seen a response or evidence of an action taken after using the report form?
Sometimes, if the cheating is fairly obvious, yes. Cheating is more a problem in rapid and classical games.
In quick time controls there is not much cheating going on.
For example:
r1b1kbnr/pp1npppp/2pp4/7q/2PPP3/2N2N1P/PP3PP1/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 7
I had this position over 500 times in my games, mostly in bullet.
Be2 is the human move, e5 is the computer move. Both moves win. e5 wins quicker if followed up correctly. Only one opponent ever played e5 but didn't follow it up correctly...
>Do any of the reports get reviewed?
Obviously. What would be the point of having a report form otherwise?
See lichess.org/page/report-faq
Obviously. What would be the point of having a report form otherwise?
See lichess.org/page/report-faq
@possum_hollow said in #1:
> Has anyone seen a response or evidence of an action taken after using the report form?
Yes, a lot, the Lichess team is great. Of course, it is possible and even to be expected that sometimes our suspicions are unfounded, but for me anyway, most of the time I see action.
> Has anyone seen a response or evidence of an action taken after using the report form?
Yes, a lot, the Lichess team is great. Of course, it is possible and even to be expected that sometimes our suspicions are unfounded, but for me anyway, most of the time I see action.
The reason I asked that question is that my experience has been that they ignore it. While I am certain sophisticated cheaters would have no problem fooling me, I can spot an obvious cheater. And it happened a couple weeks ago, leading to my first report on Lichess (I have reported hundreds on Chess.com). Again, I only report the very obvious ones. However, this report (and multiple follow up reports) has led to no action. The cheater has continued on, cheating others in Lichess games. To this point, no action has been taken.
@possum_hollow the best thing to do is to report and move on. Someone either already has looked at the report or is going to, checking profiles waiting for an account to close is never going to make you feel any better.
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Cheat reports are looked at by human people who are trained in cheat detection.
This is absolutely necessary as many people are just not as good cheat detectors as they think they are.
People are reported because they have high accuracy games (sometimes several in a row), they played an outlandish move the opponent missed, they won against a higher rated opponent, their connection dot flickered, or many other reasons. Often, none of this is an indication of cheating.
We should be very thankful that there is a team of volunteers that look into these reports, and come up with a much more skilled verdict on the case than most of us can provide (from our biased view anyway).
I think I have heard on one podcast that the vast majority of reports are unfounded, yet every reporter thinks they know for sure. We must come to terms with the fact that we tend to err. And we do it on a large scale unfortunately.
This is absolutely necessary as many people are just not as good cheat detectors as they think they are.
People are reported because they have high accuracy games (sometimes several in a row), they played an outlandish move the opponent missed, they won against a higher rated opponent, their connection dot flickered, or many other reasons. Often, none of this is an indication of cheating.
We should be very thankful that there is a team of volunteers that look into these reports, and come up with a much more skilled verdict on the case than most of us can provide (from our biased view anyway).
I think I have heard on one podcast that the vast majority of reports are unfounded, yet every reporter thinks they know for sure. We must come to terms with the fact that we tend to err. And we do it on a large scale unfortunately.
Thank you for the lecture, nadjarostowa. I will keep that in mind.
However, the fact that 100% of the cheaters I had previously reported were banned for cheating lends a small amount of confidence that I am correct. I can only look at the simple probabilities, as I have no interest in delving into the intricacies of cheating. When a 1200 rated player runs off 15 games in a row at >95% accuracy, I have some idea of the probability for this to be achieved either through skill, or by assisted means.
However, the fact that 100% of the cheaters I had previously reported were banned for cheating lends a small amount of confidence that I am correct. I can only look at the simple probabilities, as I have no interest in delving into the intricacies of cheating. When a 1200 rated player runs off 15 games in a row at >95% accuracy, I have some idea of the probability for this to be achieved either through skill, or by assisted means.